How to get promoted: Lessons from an ex-Amazon VP
Ethan Evans, ex-Amazon VP, shares how promotion decisions are made and how to increase your chances
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Today, weāll dive into the top career lessons from an ex-Amazon VP,
. Ethan is one of the most prolific teachers for engineers and managers. Heās hired 1000+ people, led teams of 800+, and has driven 25+ Principal Engineer & Director promotions.Ethan teaches a cohort on Maven, āStuck at Senior Manager? How to Break Through to Executive.ā Although the course targets managers, I wanted to join Ethanās course. I thought, āIf I knew how Senior Managers and executives think, Iād know how those lessons would translate to faster growth as an engineer.ā
I asked Ethan and his operating partner,
, if I could join the cohort in exchange for sharing my lessons with you. They were more than happy to let me join!Today, weāll dive into Ethanās step-by-step process he used to get promoted to VP and drive promotions of multiple Senior+ engineers.
āļø Main takeaways
How to figure out whatās holding you back from promotion
How leaders make promotion decisions and what you can do about it
High-impact, underutilized tips to get promoted faster
š¤ Figure out why youāre stuck
If you want to get promoted, you know your destination.
But do you know why youāre not there already?
Ethan suggests 3 steps to get unstuck.
Figure out where you want to go. Whatās your dream role and title?
With that in mind, write 2-4 sentences about where you are now.
Identify the gap between those two. The most common gaps are skills, relationships, or time.
Once you know the gap, the biggest blocker to fixing the gap is not asking for feedback. Generally, your manager wants to promote you. It makes them look better to have a more senior team. At the same time, managers are extremely busy. You can either blame them or accelerate the process by taking ownership of your growth.
Ask for feedback often, listen well, and address your gap.
š Keys to the promotion process
Now that youāre working to address your gap, you need to work within the companyās promotion process to give yourself the best chance.
First, understand how the process works:
How much repeated success is required?
Why it matters: You might have the skills of the next level, but you need to prove it. The promotion committee needs to know your past successes arenāt one-off accidents.
When do reviews happen?
Why it matters: You can create a workback plan with your manager. Plan for what you must do between now and then to set yourself up for success. Ask your manager, āWhat gaps can I fill between now and then?ā
What do you need to write about?
Why it matters: You can ask your manager or mentor for examples of promotion documents, which you can model your document after. Plus, you can see what work has resulted in promotion in the past, which helps you look for similar opportunities.
Second, understand how leaders decide on your promotion:
Do they trust you can do the job at the next level?
Is the scope of your current work at the next level?
How to build trust
To build trust, Ethan recommends the magic loop. Itās a five-step process that shows your manager youāre their ally and further motivates them to help you.
Step 1: You need to do your current job well. This is essential. I also mentioned this in one of my first articles on how I went from Junior ā Senior in 2 years.
āItās essential to not skip the base-level responsibilities. If you skip these and try to act like a Senior right away, it will hurt you more than help you.ā
Step 2: Ask your manager how you can help them. If you start step 2 by asking your manager how you can help them and they say, āDo your current job well,ā you know youāre still on step 1.
Step 3: Do what they ask and be reliable. Establish communication norms and donāt make them chase you for updates.
Step 4: Discuss how you can grow and ask for work that helps advance that.
Step 5: Deliver that work with high quality.
Trust is hard to understand, but Ethanās definition makes it easy.
āTrust is consistency over timeā - Ethan Evans
Think of a friend who never breaks their promise. When they make a promise, you can trust they wonāt break it because theyāve shown you they are the type of person who keeps their promises.
Do the same with your managerāconsistently deliver next-level work, and theyāll trust you at the next level and want to advocate for your promotion.
How to get scope
To get scope, Ethanās recommendations for engineers are:
Propose an initiative based on a problem you see
Look for ways to reduce costs or make the team more efficient
Volunteer for work without an owner
Iād also ask your mentor or the people 1-2 levels above you what work they would do if they had more time. That work will likely have next-level scope since the people at that level wish they had time to work on it.
Other promotion-case builders
On top of building trust and getting scope, here are 5 more tips to stand out.
1) Be a chameleon
Adapt to your managerās style.
Chameleons change their color to match the background without changing who they are. If your manager prefers email, use email. If they prefer Slack, use Slack. If they like lots of detail, give them that.
When your manager thinks of you, make them think, āWorking with them is so easy.ā
2) Get a mentor involved in the decision
Staff+ engineers are often in the promotion room with the managers who decide on your promotion.
If you can get one of these Staff+ engineers as your mentor, youāll have direct access to what theyāre looking for when promoting engineers. Theyāll help you get to where you need to be and be able to advocate for your growth in the promotion room.
3) Build a relationship with your skip manager
I love Ethanās quote for interacting with executives and people 1-2 levels above you:
āBe bright. Be brief. Be gone.ā - Ethan Evans
Ethan mentioned as a VP, coffee chat requests frustrated him because they felt like a waste of time. He was working 60+ hour weeks, so a 30-minute coffee chat ate into time with his family. Worse, people came with nothing to discuss.
Sadly, I used to do that. Now, I always come with an agenda in my manager, mentor, and skip 1:1s. I comment on the agenda ahead of time with, āHey <name>, I added a few notes for discussion here if it helps to check ahead of time.ā
The agenda shows Iām not there to waste their time, resulting in feedback like, āThis felt insanely productive. I appreciate you coming prepared with topics.ā Sometimes, we donāt cover all agenda items and chat about personal, get-to-know-you topics. Thatās okay too. The important part is what the agenda represents: care for their time.
To make it more productive, give them value.
Three quick ways to do that are:
Get advice on a problem
Share news they donāt know about
Ask how you can support their goals
4) Network in your team and across the org
Jason Yoong, Ethanās operating partner, has a quote:
āThe best time to plant a tree is 20 years ago. The second best is today.ā
Networking has helped me get fast help, strong peer reviews, and more scope.
Here are a few networking tips Iāve picked up:
In intro 1:1s, spend half the time getting to know them personally and half what theyāre working on, how they like it, and how you can help them.
Find common interests. I typically find commonalities around video games, pets, and personal growth.
Give kudos. I thank people for their help and try to make them the hero wherever possible. I also send kudos directly to their manager. I wrote about this more in my last article on phrases that top leaders use.
5) Be visible and known for something
The best scenario for a promotion decision is that everyone in the room knows who you are and your work. They think of you as someone doing work at the next level.
The worst scenario is if theyāre hearing about your work for the first time.
To gain more visibility and become known for something, check the full article on how to become a go-to person and why it gets you promoted. There are 10 ways to get visibility in that article.
š TL;DR
Figure out why youāre stuck: The gap between your current and future state is usually time, skills, or relationships.
Keys to the promotion process:
Know how the process works
Understand how much repeated success is required
Know when reviews happen
Understand what you need to write about. Get examples from your manager and mentor.
Promotions happen when you have the trust to operate at the next level and the scope to prove it
Build trust by following the magic loop
Get scope by proposing initiatives, looking for ways to reduce costs or improve efficiency, volunteering for work without an owner, and asking people 1-2 levels above you what theyād work on if they had more time
Other promotion-case builders:
Be a chameleon
Adapt to your managerās style without changing who you are
Get a mentor who will be involved in the promotion decision
They can tell you what theyāre looking for and advocate for your growth
Build a relationship with your skip manager
Come prepared with an agenda
Ask for their advice, share news they may not know about, or ask how you can better support their goals
Network in your team and across the org
Spend a mix of time getting to know people personally and how you can help them in their work
Find common interests
Give lots of kudos
Be visible and known for something
The best scenario for a promotion decision is for everyone to know you and your work already. Gain more visibility by following the tips in this article
š Thank you to Ethan and Jason
Thanks again to Ethan Evans and Jason Yoong for allowing me to join the course and share these insights.
Plenty more topics were covered, like executive presence, influence, perceptions, executive sponsorship, prioritization, networking, and more. This article covered only 15-20% of Ethanās course.
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Really amazing. 100% Useful.
But I'm sad to see the negative comments over here. Why its necessary for them to add a negative comment?
I respect & encourage you @Author. Great things covered.
One thing that I find is usually missing in any conversation about promotion is Why? Why do you want to get promoted?I find having clarity of intent to be foundational for anything else you suggested. And the reason being that your reasons for promotion might actually be met through other means